Chimera Kennels

- Producing the American Sentinel Canine, a loyal family companion guardian!

Our Discussion Forums

Post Reply
Forum Home > General Discussions > Chimera's Axshun

Darron

Posts: 61

Axshun is 13 months old and he is 130 pounds of solid muscle  not a piece of fat on him, this boy loves to work and he impresses anyone he comes across from dog trainers in the area to soccer moms at the dog park,. He's a wonderful dog all around definately the pick of the litter in my humble opinion lol(just messing around) but lately while training Ive been noticing him running lame on his rear right  leg. I was worried if he being a large breed puppy if maybe he had hip problems, so I went to the vet to get xrays and they came back not bad not fair not good but  excellent. So now it has me puzzled as to what could be the issue with his leg we tried resting him two whole weeks and gave him aspirin. I've been giving him nupro plus joint support. basically his whole life. My vet says there no tears in the muscle that he could tell by an eye and feel exam. Do you think this is attributed to him just having growing pains from him being such a big boy or should I take the next step and get him an mri on his legs? Been spending alot of money on him and just trying to avoid over spending if I dont have to. Any suggestions

July 2, 2010 at 12:10 AM Flag Quote & Reply

chimerakennels
Site Owner
Posts: 1120

It would be impossible to diagnosis the issue without seeing the dog. I am glad to hear his hip X-ray was excellent. We have been blessed with  excellent and good hips in our dogs, but I have never given any of my dogs any supplements other than good nutrition. IMO, if one was to spend the money supplements cost on just good food, they would come out ahead with the better food and then supplements wouldn't be needed. I believe this because IMO supplements only do any significant good when something is missing from the diet.

 

Have you tried looking at to where the pain is? Are you sure it is in the upper leg and not say...in the foot? Maybe a broken toe or something? Since he is just 13 months old and showing some discomfort, do for him what you would do for yourself. I would just give the dog rest and don't work him without letting him first warm up with some walking. Try rubbing him down on the foot, hock, knee, and hip to see if you can isolate the location of the discomfort.

--

To produce performance, you must select for it! Chimera Kennels

July 2, 2010 at 12:46 AM Flag Quote & Reply

Darron

Posts: 61

chimerakennels at July 2, 2010 at 12:46 AM

It would be impossible to diagnosis the issue without seeing the dog. I am glad to hear his hip X-ray was excellent. We have been blessed with  excellent and good hips in our dogs, but I have never given any of my dogs any supplements other than good nutrition. IMO, if one was to spend the money supplements cost on just good food, they would come out ahead with the better food and then supplements wouldn't be needed. I believe this because IMO supplements only do any significant good when something is missing from the diet.

 

Have you tried looking at to where the pain is? Are you sure it is in the upper leg and not say...in the foot? Maybe a broken toe or something? Since he is just 13 months old and showing some discomfort, do for him what you would do for yourself. I would just give the dog rest and don't work him without letting him first warm up with some walking. Try rubbing him down on the foot, hock, knee, and hip to see if you can isolate the location of the discomfort.

Sorry i forgot to mention the doctor took  extra shots of the whole leg to see if we were looking at the wrong part , and he seen no structual bone damage. About the supplements this is the first dog I've ever feed a completely raw diet so I guess I've been giving the extra supplements just in case I'm missing something along the way seeming i'm not a pro at raw feeding yet, even though i read a few books on the subject and follow there guidelines.

July 2, 2010 at 3:28 AM Flag Quote & Reply

David Ishee
Moderator
Posts: 222

If you haven't already check in between his toes. Years ago I had a beagle I thought had some kind of injury, it turned out to be a small piece of wire stuck like a thorn inbetween his toes.

--

David Ishee of MidgardMastiffs.com

July 2, 2010 at 6:43 AM Flag Quote & Reply

Matt A.
Member
Posts: 16

Does he only pull up lame when running?  After he pulls up lame is he toe touching?  Hesitent to put weight on the leg?


If it is a soft tissue injury (ex. CCL tear) it will not show on x-rays and an in office test (drawer test) is far from accurate, although it sometimes can give you an idea if there is any play in the knee joint.  I would crate rest him for 2-4 weeks and if it doesn't improve take him in to see an orthopedic specialist.  General vets are usually not very good at diagnosing these types of injuries.

July 8, 2010 at 12:21 PM Flag Quote & Reply

Darron

Posts: 61

Matt A. at July 8, 2010 at 12:21 PM

Does he only pull up lame when running?  After he pulls up lame is he toe touching?  Hesitent to put weight on the leg?


If it is a soft tissue injury (ex. CCL tear) it will not show on x-rays and an in office test (drawer test) is far from accurate, although it sometimes can give you an idea if there is any play in the knee joint.  I would crate rest him for 2-4 weeks and if it doesn't improve take him in to see an orthopedic specialist.  General vets are usually not very good at diagnosing these types of injuries.

The thing is when he comes up lame I grab the leg squeeze it pull it and do the same thing to the foot he gives no reaction. But i am doing what you said no exercise for a couple of weeks and so far he's been miserable not listening like he used to not as friendly etc etc etc

July 8, 2010 at 2:25 PM Flag Quote & Reply

chimerakennels
Site Owner
Posts: 1120

You can always work on obedience and bonding. Good walks and such still certainly won't hurt anything either. Glad to see you checked his hips because if there are not tender spots I would think it would be either hips or rapid growth. Since his hips are find I would therefore say it is rapid growth, and if that is the case, I would just slow down on the strenous stuff for two months or so. And, if that is the case, it would be rare for my dogs to experience but being your dog is 130# at only 13 months, I can say your dog is certainly bigger than most of the males we have produced, especially for his age. I have seen such situations in other programs though that typically produce bigger dogs than our own program. We always strived for maximum performance so in most cases our dogs are in the 90-115# range full grown...with an occational dog gettiing 125# or so (again, full grown).

--

To produce performance, you must select for it! Chimera Kennels

July 8, 2010 at 5:11 PM Flag Quote & Reply

Darron

Posts: 61

The crazy part about it is that he's 130 pounds and you can't really tell because he's lean and muscular, I mean he is a big dog don't get me wrong but you wouldn't think he wighed as much as he does. My vet said he is growing very rapidly though. His head is huge. 

July 9, 2010 at 9:57 AM Flag Quote & Reply

Matt A.
Member
Posts: 16

[quote]The thing is when he comes up lame I grab the leg squeeze it pull it and do the same thing to the foot he gives no reaction. But i am doing what you said no exercise for a couple of weeks and so far he's been miserable not listening like he used to not as friendly etc etc etc[/quote]


My Lab tore through his CCL and meniscus and showed very little slow down and no reaction to leg palputations at the vet.  After a few weeks rest you should have a better idea of what you are dealing with.


I agree with the previous post.  Controlled leash walks and mental stimulation (work on some shaping exercises) will easily tire a dog out

 


July 9, 2010 at 11:04 AM Flag Quote & Reply

You must login to post.