Chimera Kennels

hey ,

has anyone ever done this mix? it interest me alot , but would it be worth it to own all main breeds and spends years producing it? 

any thoughts on the mix

I haven't seen APBT x Neo/Dane, but I have seen and worked the following...

1. APBT x Neo,

2. APBT x Dane,

3. and several F2 Bandogs produced from crosses of APBT x Dane bred to APBT x Neo.

4. and APBT x Dane bred to pure Neapolitans.

5. and APBT x Tosa,

6. and APBT x English Mastiff,

7 and APBT x Dane bred to English Mastiff

8. and many various combinations of the above.

Each breeding can produce excellent dogs, but my experience has led me to conclude (so far after a decade of breeding) that quality APBT x quality English Mastiff dogs are a bit more capable.

Anytime you deal with any of the Mastiff type dogs one needs to be careful of selecting strong nerves and confidence. They have been bred for a while now to be very soft, due to their large size. Many are defensive, but lack prey drive or confidence.

The problems I have seen from Danes include nerve issues and/or too fragile for my liking. I have seen some that were excellent though, and by excellent I do mean just that.. This cross also produces excellent stamina, athleticism, and often good prey drives too when combined with APBT, but not so good prey or confidence when combined with other mastiffs...typically speaking.

The problem with the Neapolitan is lack of endurance, lack of structural soundness, and often time lacks of athleticism. Some have nerve issues and some are very insecure without their owner's present. VERY tightly bonding and tends to suffer from seperation anxioty issues.

The problem with the English Mastiff is dogs like my former Eclipse are rare. She had defense, prey, confidence, power, and an unheard of level of stamina for such a large dog...and most importantly she produced well. Most EMs don't have these traits and when you do find one that does, they often don't reproduce themselves.

In the end, it takes a lot of work to refine a cross into a working breed and quality product. Not trying to be a saleman, but it is just easier to purchase a dog from someone else that is already consistently producing what it is you are looking for...unless you are willing to spend many years and countless dollars to be the creator of what it is you are looking for.

I've considered Pit x Neo/Dane

I like Neo x Dane/Pit but I like larger dogs with a more mastiff personality.

Kronos is a the product of two Neo x Pit/Dane dogs bred togeather.

He's very fast, agile, and strong. He took a little more of the dane form, but has strong prey and defense drives, with plenty of confidence, good nerves and is extremely stable. He's a very good working dog trained by Lee. You can see the latest video Lee and I shot of him here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ioS-ixUxhbs

Personally I don't like a lot of the "chunky" Neo X Pits you see out there, the dane can bring a lot to the table. Of course like Lee said you have to find an exceptional example of any breed used in a bandog program because they all have faults to avoid. Choice of the breeds and individual dogs you use will depend on exactly what your looking to produce.

As to whether it would be worth it to do a breeding program to produce it. You will need a lot of money to buy good foundation dogs, and all the needs that go with them, kennels, food, wormer, flea prevention, vet screenings for health, training if it's a working dog program, and lots and lots of time. If your married make sure your spouse understands it's going to take a lot away from them too. Most of the breeding programs I've seen dissolve are from lack of money or marriage trouble centered around the program. It's a very big thing to become a real dog breeder, but it's also a hell of a lot of fun. My family has been breeding dogs for at least 5 generations and my brother and I are running our program together, so I have a lot of help. In the end it's up to you, it won't be easy, it won't be cheap, but if it's what you want to do then do it. It can be disappointing and difficult sometimes, but if you love it it can also be very rewarding and worth the effort.