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Years ago I was looking into the Bullmastiff breed when I started to look at the mastiff type dogs. Today, I met this nice young couple walking their 14 months old female Bullmastiff. She was 92 pounds according to the owner, very friendly and mellow. I asked a few questions about performance and overall working abilities. I was sort of surprised to find out that at such young age, she already had trouble with going on regular hikes longer than THREE miles!!  They were saying she has no stamina at all. I hate to imagine her when she reaches 3 years old and weighs 115 pounds or so. I don't want to generalize, but, I thought to myself that it would be a disaster for me with my crazy outdoor life style if I would have chosen this breed.:D Lucky I kept seraching and studying until I found the Swinford.

Id have to disagree with you, i have seen dogs that weigh 110 that could give alot of in shape dogs in the 70 and under range a run for the money  on alot of elements and i would have to assume hiking to be one, i would susspect that it was the build of the bullmastiff rather than weight............ i know my male lags on the endurance department but thats because of build not weight............but i would guess that if you took a 110 pound dog and made an exact clone of it but in a 80 lb frame, that the 80 lpb frame version would have the better endurance.......... 

 www.centralcoastpitbulls.com/sargeantslaughter.htm Check him out, hes got better structure than most apbt half his size, and the drive to use it...........  being that hes 110 id say hes built better than alot of bandogs out there at that weight

at least my bandog lol

No offense intended, but I see this type of stuff all the time...and while some times I overlook it, I am not going to overlook such on my own forum.

There is NO WAY that dog is 110# . He is about knee high. Probably 75#-85# soaking wet. I have seen people face to face with 60# dogs talk about how their 100# APBT is a giant, then when I say their dog isn't 100# they swear it is...and then I would bring out a 100#er that would be nearly twice their dogs size. Bottom line...people either don't know, they are in self denial and believe what they want, or they lie. Why? Well...I will let you tell me why, but I think we all know most of the reasons why.

Here is a dog that weighs 108#. To give you an idea, I am the one holding the leash and I am 6' tall and 200#. Johnny, the decoy, is probably 6' himself and I would guess 240#+, maybe 260#? He is a big guy. Use that and you can see a 108# dog that is in shape is HUGE.

For some reason this first picture of Linebaugh below is DISTORTED to fit our settings on the width of my message board. To get a real view of this photo, click here... http://www.chimerakennels.com/Linebaughchallenge4.jpg

Here is a dog that only weighed 90# in these photos, yet he is clearly a large dog (although in shape and only 90#). Now, yes I could stack the pounds on him and get another 10-20#s on him, but why would I? He would be LESS DOG if he was out of shape or over weight.

Now the two dogs above have a different type of frame. They are certainly tall types and not extremely broad, so let me continue.

From here down are some broad 100# class dogs.

First, here is a true 110#er...do you really think that dog is as big as Preacher-Man?

This dog is probably only 85#, maybe 90# tops.

I could find photos like this all day long. Here is a photo of a 68# dog we owned named Grit when he was in our possession. After we sold him to someone local, they let him gain about 15# and they bragged about their 90# dog (that weighed about 83# in real life) that REALLY was only a 68#er...as a working dog's weight shouldn't be reported on their heaviest day in their life, but should be reported as to what they weigh when they are actually in working condition. Their "90#er" was honestly a 68# dog...and that's all he was. In other words, don't believe everything you see or hear.

Ok...I'm done with this rant....or do I need to post more photos with honest weights reported?

My point is an honest lean and in shape 90-110# that is in shape is a big dog (& most "100#ers" claims are about only about 70#ers in real life).

penngomifan at November 29, 2010 at 2:55 PM

Id have to disagree with you, i have seen dogs that weigh 110 that could give alot of in shape dogs in the 70 and under range a run for the money  on alot of elements and i would have to assume hiking to be one, i would susspect that it was the build of the bullmastiff rather than weight............ i know my male lags on the endurance department but thats because of build not weight............but i would guess that if you took a 110 pound dog and made an exact clone of it but in a 80 lb frame, that the 80 lpb frame version would have the better endurance.......... 

Nice blue pit, and great pictures of him jumping. You are right about the buil of that particular Bullmastiff, she was probably not the best. Do you have experience with that breed? Do you know if usually they can perform well during longer working sessions, may it be personal protection, sport, hiking or whatever?

Thanks

Nico at November 29, 2010 at 5:46 PM

penngomifan at November 29, 2010 at 2:55 PM

Id have to disagree with you, i have seen dogs that weigh 110 that could give alot of in shape dogs in the 70 and under range a run for the money  on alot of elements and i would have to assume hiking to be one, i would susspect that it was the build of the bullmastiff rather than weight............ i know my male lags on the endurance department but thats because of build not weight............but i would guess that if you took a 110 pound dog and made an exact clone of it but in a 80 lb frame, that the 80 lpb frame version would have the better endurance.......... 

Nice blue pit, and great pictures of him jumping. You are right about the buil of that particular Bullmastiff, she was probably not the best. Do you have experience with that breed? Do you know if usually they can perform well during longer working sessions, may it be personal protection, sport, hiking or whatever?

Thanks

experience with what breed? i kinda misread your post nico i didnt read it threw...... i mistook what you were saying

chimerakennels at November 29, 2010 at 5:43 PM

No offense intended, but I see this type of stuff all the time...and while some times I overlook it, I am not going to overlook such on my own forum.

 

There is NO WAY that dog is 110# . He is about knee high. Probably 75#-85# soaking wet. I have seen people face to face with 60# dogs talk about how their 100# APBT is a giant, then when I say their dog isn't 100# they swear it is...and then I would bring out a 100#er that would be nearly twice their dogs size. Bottom line...people either don't know, they are in self denial and believe what they want, or they lie. Why? Well...I will let you tell me why, but I think we all know most of the reasons why.

 

Here is a dog that weighs 108#. To give you an idea, I am the one holding the leash and I am 6' tall and 200#. Johnny, the decoy, is probably 6' himself and I would guess 240#+, maybe 260#? He is a big guy. Use that and you can see a 108# dog that is in shape is HUGE.

 

For some reason this first picture of Linebaugh below is DISTORTED to fit our settings on the width of my message board. To get a real view of this photo, click here... http://www.chimerakennels.com/Linebaughchallenge4.jpg

 

 

Here is a dog that only weighed 90# in these photos, yet he is clearly a large dog (although in shape and only 90#). Now, yes I could stack the pounds on him and get another 10-20#s on him, but why would I? He would be LESS DOG if he was out of shape or over weight.

 

 

Now the two dogs above have a different type of frame. They are certainly tall types and not extremely broad, so let me continue.

 

From here down are some broad 100# class dogs.

 

First, here is a true 110#er...do you really think that dog is as big as Preacher-Man?

 

 

 

This dog is probably only 85#, maybe 90# tops.

 

 

I could find photos like this all day long. Here is a photo of a 68# dog we owned named Grit when he was in our possession. After we sold him to someone local, they let him gain about 15# and they bragged about their 90# dog (that weighed about 83# in real life) that REALLY was only a 68#er...as a working dog's weight shouldn't be reported on their heaviest day in their life, but should be reported as to what they weigh when they are actually in working condition. Their "90#er" was honestly a 68# dog...and that's all he was. In other words, don't believe everything you see or hear.

 

 

Ok...I'm done with this rant....or do I need to post more photos with honest weights reported?

 

My point is an honest lean and in shape 90-110# that is in shape is a big dog (& most "100#ers" claims are about only about 70#ers in real life).

Dude what dog is that second from bottom? lol roid rage! you got any more pictures? well maybe your right lee maybe he is only 80 lpbs? you dont think hes realy 110? i never thought about it to be honest lol, i realy did think that dog was 110 and thought it was amazing at the stuff i heard he could do from other people, but i guess if he is only about 80 lpbs then i am not all that impressed, im gonna have to go ask some people

O yeh you need to post more photos with honest weights!!! LOL expecially of that second to last dog............  

Don't get me wrong. I am not saying he is a bad dog. I do NOT blaim dogs for what they weigh or what their owners report about what they weigh. He may still be an EXCELLENT DOG...so don't take my post as an attack on the dog. I am ONLY saying there is no way that dog is 110# in shape.

That second to last dog is named "Jackson." He was born here and is a littermate to Boss. His sire was also a dog we produced, named "Chief." His dam was ALSO born here. Her name was "Bandit." To see more photos of Jackson, just go to the search bar and type in Jackson and then CLICK on the button. For some reason, if you type in Jackson and hit enter it won't work. You have to click on the botton when doing a search. His sire Chief turned into a muscle bound beast once he got full grown. I will find some photos of him too.

I remember seeing jackson now, that dog looks more gorilla than dog, so what made you decide to use boss instead of jackson?   for the gator breeding.........

I could have gone either way with that breeding. Boss is a phenomenial athlete and is actually bigger than Jackson. Jackson is not as tall and is very thick type...but hind site being what it is Jackson may have been a better for Gator being she is plenty big and a bit mastiff like. Jackson is certainly a firecracker when it comes to working abilities too. He could dislocate a man's shoulder.

It turns out I am getting rid of my pick female and her sister from Boss and Gator breeding though...for even though they have good working drives and are good healthy pups and such...keeping two pups from the Preacher x Lucile breeding and two from Linebaugh x Lynn seems to be keeping me busy enough with my up and coming young prospects.

"He could dislocate a man's shoulder."
Dude thats awesome!   I like that thick stout look, even in the apbt, It gives me a visual impression of strength and wowness................one thing lee do dogs with that much muscle run out of breath quicker? cuase of all the blood thats gotta get pumped to the muscle? or no? i would supose it depends on to many other factors as well, but id take a dog with that kinda power over a wind monster!   

They are certainly going to be more prone to it, but if kept in shape they can still work for a long time...and are "dogs you remember" so to speak.

At the end of the day I believe breeding dogs is much like investing in the stock market. You do your research then take your positions based on your knowledge and experience. When it is all said and done you hope that your portfolio is comprised of a perfect combination of diversification with adequate representation from all the sectors i.e. DJIA, S&P, NYSE etc. Or in this scenario achieving Intelligence, Size, Athleticism, Power, Devotion, Stamina, Defensive drive, Prey drive etc… Having said that ultimately at the end of the day you end up learning from your experience whether or not you achieve your goal. Hindsight is 20/20 foresight is PRICELESS!

chimerakennels at November 29, 2010 at 5:43 PM

No offense intended, but I see this type of stuff all the time...and while some times I overlook it, I am not going to overlook such on my own forum.

 

There is NO WAY that dog is 110# . He is about knee high. Probably 75#-85# soaking wet. I have seen people face to face with 60# dogs talk about how their 100# APBT is a giant, then when I say their dog isn't 100# they swear it is...and then I would bring out a 100#er that would be nearly twice their dogs size. Bottom line...people either don't know, they are in self denial and believe what they want, or they lie. Why? Well...I will let you tell me why, but I think we all know most of the reasons why.

 

Here is a dog that weighs 108#. To give you an idea, I am the one holding the leash and I am 6' tall and 200#. Johnny, the decoy, is probably 6' himself and I would guess 240#+, maybe 260#? He is a big guy. Use that and you can see a 108# dog that is in shape is HUGE.

 

For some reason this first picture of Linebaugh below is DISTORTED to fit our settings on the width of my message board. To get a real view of this photo, click here... http://www.chimerakennels.com/Linebaughchallenge4.jpg

 

 

Here is a dog that only weighed 90# in these photos, yet he is clearly a large dog (although in shape and only 90#). Now, yes I could stack the pounds on him and get another 10-20#s on him, but why would I? He would be LESS DOG if he was out of shape or over weight.

 

 

Now the two dogs above have a different type of frame. They are certainly tall types and not extremely broad, so let me continue.

 

From here down are some broad 100# class dogs.

 

First, here is a true 110#er...do you really think that dog is as big as Preacher-Man?

 

 

 

This dog is probably only 85#, maybe 90# tops.

 

 

I could find photos like this all day long. Here is a photo of a 68# dog we owned named Grit when he was in our possession. After we sold him to someone local, they let him gain about 15# and they bragged about their 90# dog (that weighed about 83# in real life) that REALLY was only a 68#er...as a working dog's weight shouldn't be reported on their heaviest day in their life, but should be reported as to what they weigh when they are actually in working condition. Their "90#er" was honestly a 68# dog...and that's all he was. In other words, don't believe everything you see or hear.

 

 

Ok...I'm done with this rant....or do I need to post more photos with honest weights reported?

 

My point is an honest lean and in shape 90-110# that is in shape is a big dog (& most "100#ers" claims are about only about 70#ers in real life).

That is true, most people like to think their dogs are much bigger than they really are. There is a girl that works with me and has a dog of some kind of mix, he is a male and only 13 months old. When I asked her how big he was, she said 130 pounds. Well she took the dog to the vet a week ago, and the dog turns out to be only 78 pounds...lol I don't pay much attention to this kind of people anymore. Sometimes it's better to let them live an illusion, they are happier that way.;)

There is a kennel in England producing working Bullmastiffs that are said to be serious dogs.  Also, a member of my Sch club is acquiring a pup from a kennel in Cali out of 2 Sch titled parents.  Dont know the name of either kennel, though.

i love these type of discussions. i used to put a lot of emphasis on weight being a dominant factor in a dogs ability to stop a threat. While i realize it is a factor, i am persuaded it is not the dominant factor. The former misconception i had was corrected from reading posts by Lee and others on this site. Two of the more reliable factors are genetics and training obviously. honestly when i went to the website to see Sarge i was immediately impressed bc of his weight, thinking, this dog must be tall! After seeing the pics Lee posted, which were very impressive, especially Jackson and Preacher-man, i cant easily believe Sarge is that big either. And my personal opinion on the stocky shorter dogs...While Jackson is more muscular, in my opinion Preacher has more appeal to me, bc he seems like he is more balanced, and even Linebaugh...if i had to face either Jackson or Linebaugh, I'd rather be running/dodging/fighting/getting away from Jackson any day. Linebaugh looks like he's going over fences, through windows, and you name it to get you.

People put to much into size, a hard dog is a hard dog period. It's hard enough getting a good dog anyway seeing that most dogs are junk , so if your lucky enough to get a good one be happy no matter what wieght he is. Plus in real life in 99 percent of the situations if a true working dog no matter the size takes a chunk out of your arm shoulder leg etc you'll go into shock, and if you don't  who ever cooked up that meth must be doing a great job

beartrap at November 29, 2010 at 10:28 PM

There is a kennel in England producing working Bullmastiffs that are said to be serious dogs.  Also, a member of my Sch club is acquiring a pup from a kennel in Cali out of 2 Sch titled parents.  Dont know the name of either kennel, though.

Hey Black Steel, nice to hear there are some good Bullmastiffs out there. As I said, in my opinion the female I saw was too you young for her not to be able to go more than three miles. But again, I am all about conditioning, as I realize how important conditioning is for any dog, big or small. When stamina is weak, performance becomes weak after a while, that's just normal.