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Personally, I would never consider using a boxer in a bandog program. It isn't really that healthy of a breed in general. Given the state of the Neapolitan's general lack of health, if I was going to use a Neopolitan it would be to not only a healthy dog, but a dog that came from a healthy gene pool in general. While some boxers are active, but IMO they lack the necessary drive I would want to see from a component breed in a Bandog project. I also don't like their lack of muzzle. In australia though, the "boxer foundation" could be a cover up for the APBT, Am Staff, or other bully breed, as several such breeds are banned there.

My guess is the end result would be something like a lot of the Corso's you see. At least physically.

questionofgame at March 28, 2011 at 9:50 PM

Hi Lee. I've recently seen some dogs from another bandog breeder who visits some of the boards. I believe this breeder is from down under. Anyways, they state that in there program they use boxer. This seems a bit strange to me with so many other options. What do you think the benefits of boxer blood would be? I'm not bashing the program but it seems a sub-par choice especially with the availability of better bull breeds. Just wondered about your thoughts. Thanx

A boxer is a good addition if you want to make your dog more docile and be less aggressive towards other dogs or kids. The argentine dogo is a good example of why they used a boxer breed in the creation of the dogo.

There are several lines of APBT that are not necessarily dog aggressive (while I don't select for or against those lines they do exist as I think some other criteria are more important)...and yet still much healthier than the boxer. Also, APBT are typically not aggressive to kids. Additionally, a bandog is supposed to be a working guardian type of gladiator dog...and the boxer does not fit that bill.

Would you use dogo in your program david? Ive read that you dont like to use white dogs do to blindness and deafness. Neo doesnt have boxer blood in it does it?

 I completely understand the reasons for not wanting to use boxer blood in a bandog program, but I noticed that the general feeling seems to be that the boxer is a "non-working breed", and I completely understand in general, but what about those breeders (few as though they may be) who focus solely on performance selection for their boxers, and have every title you can attain from the schutzund realm, and other boxer dogs who have attained separate personal protection titles?  I know "they" are the minority (especially in this country), and I also understand that most people believe that schutzund does not make a pp dog, but what about the boxers who have attained pp titles, serve as patrol dogs, etc. and even if schutzund does not neccesarily make a true pp dog, does it still not make a working dog in general?  Also, i agree in general with regard to the boxers' overall "health" as it may be, but, boxer dogs from "certain lines" who are able to do and excel in the afformentioned work, shouldn't they have to be much "sturdier" and "healthier" than your average american boxer?  I guess what I was wondering was doesn't it "more" come down to the certain "lines" that a boxer dog was produced from?  In other words, what are your thoughts or opinions on the performance bred boxers? Thanks for any input.

There may be some lines of boxers that can work, but the breed really isn't a working breed. It isn't just about the dog, but the gene pool. Also, as David mentioned, the skull is of concern...as would things like cancer and short life span (of the breed). If one wants to improve the health of the mastiff, they have to pick not just a healthy working dog, but a working line within a generally healthy working breed. The APBT is becoming less of a working (sporting) breed than it has been in the past, but still it has a very high degree of working characterisics as a breed...and then with the right line, it is a phenomenial breed if not one of the very best breeds ever created.

What's a distorted skull shape ?

I am actually referring to the muzzle of the skull more so than the "dome." Sorry for the lack of clarity.

The short muzzle is inefficient in dispersing of heat and also creates interference with respiration...and additionally doesn't provide an ideal bite. All of which are important to a working dog.

Thank you for specifying.

Thats the one thing i dislike about the cane corso, i have seen some good looking ones as far as working ability is concerned on the net!  I hope to see some soon in person as well, but they remind me of a boxer in the face.... Lee what lines of pitbull are not dog aggressive? as far as game dogs are concerned? i was just currious.......  

David Ishee at September 1, 2011 at 9:56 PM

I would use the right dogo, I like a lot about the breed, but all white is the wrong color for a guard dog on top of the health issues. Though white is easy to breed out in a few generations. Because it always shows. No color covers or dominates white. The modern Corso has a lot of Neo and Boxer in it's foundation. I doubt the Neo has Boxer in it. Though I wouldn't doubt it has plenty of cross blood especially EM, Bullmastiff and Bordeaux.

Dave,

I'm going to have to disagree with your comment on the modern corso.  while there are some itlaian lines that have a lot of boxer in them (and it's obvious), check out this video.  these were the foundation dogs used in the reconstruction of the breed. 

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=6912549071868530073&hl=en#  

 I can track my corso all the way to the mid 90's and there were no boxers in the pedigree.  Historically, the Corso and the Neo were the same dog until breeders separated the line, one big and saggy skinned and the other, smaller and tight skinned (modern corso). there are also Neo's called Rustic Neo's (something in the middle of the above mentioned two).

As for their workability, I have seen pretty near a hundred corsos and haven't seen more than a handfull that dispay good workability.  the main disappointment (for me IMO) is their general lack of energy, and owners who incorrectly trained them.  The ones that were good were very very good.   a good corso is a serious dog.

I would love to see a Corso x APBT bandog cross to produce a nice 115lb animal.

Id say maybe the guy used boxer because it was easily available(you mentioned he was in australia).A friend of mine had an accidental litter a few years back where a boxer male covered an apbt x (english) staffordshire bull terrier female.None of the litter were much to write home about except 1 male that resembles a very large apbt ( id definitely feed him).

I just wanted to post on this topic. i have 10 month old female shes 75% neo and 25% boxer. she has a very high prey and really come into her defense drive as she matures. all the other pups in this litter had good drives as well as the sire and dam. while im sure it is the exeption, normally my opinion is similar on boxers.  i have been quite an admirer of the bandog for years. And honeslty if her xrays and health screens are as good as her parents and she continues to prove her working ability, i believe she would be a great foundation bitch.

Can you post pictures of your female? Thanks