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I think a big powerful working dog is beautiful, but I honestly see a lot of dogs in the "bully" side that are simply bred for the wrong reasons. Are these dogs no longer expected to be working dogs?

What makes "head" so great? It is an illusion of power, bu if it isn't functional...it is just that...an illusion. An illusion of ability shouldn't replace true ability. What makes a wide chest or a thick rear desirable? Again, it gives the impression of power, and while I don't wish to offend, my desire to promote reality is of greater value than is my desire not to offend. That fact is there is NO WAY an owner of an overweight dog can honestly claim their dogs to work. In my opinion, to refer to a dog's chest or rear but have no emphasis on functional working ability is complete ignorance at best and/or hypocrisy at worst.

Function maintains health and ability.

I hope to see the XL breeders and/or the bully breeders not lose grasp of this reality...for right now there is simply too much breeding for the wrong thing. I hope more people agree with me than disagree...but when a bully looks like a basset hound, I can't help but see the working ancestry of the breed being lost only to be replaced with ignorance.

Here is an interesting video btw... http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=6pet2gdVLyw

Very good point, and very sad to see their are so many ignorant people around! I see many of them in Los Angeles, the bigger and lower to the ground their dog is, the prouder they walk around with them. It's just sad. A friend of mine had a very nice Pit male that just died, that had great form, about 65lbs all muscles. Now he wants to get another Pit and is fixed on getting a Bully Type. No matter how much I tried to convince him about how bad these dogs are, he won't listen and just wants to follow the trend.

I agree, there are some beautiful athletes on that video, I generally liked it, though I haven't finished it.

I don't like that they are pushing a lot of pit myths, like 3000 psi bites, that's insane. That's like puting a 1 inch square pole on a dogs teeth and balancing a good sized car on it, on every square inch. It would mean a pits jaw couldn't be opened with a 2000 lb bottle jack. I don't know where they get these numbers, they must get their force meters from the same place mastiff breeders get their dog scales.

And the bully breed means they bully other dogs, rather than they are descended from bull fighting dogs. 

All in all, I liked the video, but I do agree wholeheartedly with David, that they are pushing a few crazy pit bull myths once again.  But, there were many good things about it as well, and there were good points made throughout the video, some, which I have never personally put much thought into.  It was pretty well done in my opinion.  By the way Lee, I completely agree with your comments about XL and bully dogs, I hope this "trend" will fade, and I think one statement that was made on the video about if these XL or bully dogs could be labeled something it is like the K-9 version of "bling".  It is sad to see, but, although I am in no way defending or supporting it, it is not much different in some ways  to most of the way other "purebreds" are bred, which is simply for show, with function being at times last on the list.  Thanks for the video, interesting.

Well most of the bullies these days are useless, as they are not bred for any certain purpose other than looks, but i am a fan of alot of diffrent breeds of dogs, including bullies, and gamers,  i see your points lee,  but from my understanding alot of the game dogs lack a civil streak, and are not as consistant on throwing that civil when it comes to breeding, not knocking on your dogs that YOU used for breeding, i know that the sorrell dogs are civil, i just think its harder finding gamers that throw civil, and its easier to find with dogs that are obvious mixes, like the whopper, or bullie types....  im no expert, i am just a noob, but that is what i am thinking....  personally i would never own another pitbull, american bully or what ever, i like the bandogs  , but i do admire some of the bullies out there, personally if i could own a pitbull , and it was the only dog i could own, id want one like pacman, or along those lines.... a gamer that could do man work, and was big.  Check this dog out http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DMBWPJvr-y0

On that note, id rather own a bandog, that was half game bred apbt and could put in work like preacher man, than a big 100lb plus bully that could put in work.... 

Nico lol, i know EXACTLY what you meen, i tried to explain that befor to, its useless, people think that the am bullies are the true apbt... 

I know, and I just gave up trying to convince him or anyone else I meet that has the same thinking about the bully types.

To Lee's point, I guess everybody is different and people usually like to get dogs that reflect their own life style. I always knew my dog needs to be a top athlete, with power, speed, agility, stamina, and great movement. My girl Laika is moving in the right direction, but I did select a breed/cross for that very purpose. The bully types that are 18 - 19  inches at the shoulder and 90 - 100+ pounds seem to have found a certain group of individuals that enjoy having this type of dogs as their companions. The worse thing in this, is that the poor faithfull dogs are the one that end up suffering a life long because of their body types, and the ignorance of most of their owners.

penngomifan at November 19, 2011 at 12:44 AM

Well most of the bullies these days are useless, as they are not bred for any certain purpose other than looks, but i am a fan of alot of diffrent breeds of dogs, including bullies, and gamers,  i see your points lee,  but from my understanding alot of the game dogs lack a civil streak, and are not as consistant on throwing that civil when it comes to breeding, not knocking on your dogs that YOU used for breeding, i know that the sorrell dogs are civil, i just think its harder finding gamers that throw civil, and its easier to find with dogs that are obvious mixes, like the whopper, or bullie types....  im no expert, i am just a noob, but that is what i am thinking....  personally i would never own another pitbull, american bully or what ever, i like the bandogs  , but i do admire some of the bullies out there, personally if i could own a pitbull , and it was the only dog i could own, id want one like pacman, or along those lines.... a gamer that could do man work, and was big.  Check this dog out http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DMBWPJvr-y0

As far as the APBT not being civil...they are VERY CIVIL...EXTREME in fact when in fight mode. They just don't trigger that civil response towards people. This transfers to man though once man aggression is brought in. The APBT isn't known for man aggression though. Some lines will work men, yes...but even the lines that don't work man...they are far more often civil than not. If you use a line that will work that way...great. If not, get the man aggression (defense, suspicion, etc) from the mastiff component.

It is the bully that lacks intinsity in general because the drives have been deminished. The video you provided isn't a bad video, but I hope you realize none of that was civil work. It was all prey drive. The man was evasive or struggling to get away. No pressure. Rolling on the ground was done like prey.

Now, that said, yes I have seen some civil aggression in some of these bullies. I have worked some and some will work well. I am not bashing the ones that work. I just don't like the trend to make them shorter and shorter...or fatter and fatter...taking away the ability of their ancestors in order to imply power (when they are lacking in so much athleticism).

BTW, I agree with you about owning APBT. While I stil like them a lot, I do prefer a good American Sentinel K9.

Yeh the video didnt show anything civil, i just thought it was a cool video.... but i agree, being from CA like nico said, these dogs are EVERYWHERE!!!  Alot of the people who own these short  squatty do nothing dogs are not the brightest either, the dogs can suffer all kind of health issues as well.  I feel sorry for some of the dogs i have seen.  

He has potential as do some of these dogs, but unfortunately it does seem like the breed is headed the wrong direction.

this sums up the bully scene.

i have seen some very large powerfull bullies(not in that video). or at least they look like it. the dogs arent verry athletic but they do look like if they were to get ahold of something they would destroy it. the other thing i notice is bullies seem to get tired quickly

heres a pic of the sire to my male for example

Nice looking dog.

RAMBO at January 3, 2012 at 10:27 PM

this sums up the bully scene.

i have seen some very large powerfull bullies(not in that video). or at least they look like it. the dogs arent verry athletic but they do look like if they were to get ahold of something they would destroy it. the other thing i notice is bullies seem to get tired quickly

heres a pic of the sire to my male for example

Who is that? Looks to have some GK blood in there? 

you hit the nail on the head!

I really have grown to like the leggy bullys after seeing a video of how Rambo moves.

thanks, i think my dogs could be just a bit more leggy

bully are fake. they are bred with real bully dogs/mastiff for create a size of the non-athletic dogs. @ rambo a bully on youtube the bite was weak and worthless. pitbull dont have dewlap like mastiff breeds. the collar/leash on the blue is cute

undamineknls at January 19, 2012 at 5:54 PM

bully are fake. they are bred with real bully dogs/mastiff for create a size of the non-athletic dogs. @ rambo a bully on youtube the bite was weak and worthless. pitbull dont have dewlap like mastiff breeds. the collar/leash on the blue is cute

 

You say bully are fake.  they are bred with real bully dogs/mastiff for create size of the non athletic dogs.   I think i know what you are trying to say.  Well Your a bandog breeder right? What are you doing that they are not doing? You think every bully breeder only breeds for looks??? I know of a few kennels that breed for working ability with there bullies.  There is a few game bred apbt that i can think of that had a bit of dewlap.   Checked out your websight.  Wheres photos of your so called working dogs?  I have seen some nicely bred bullie dogs via youtube putting in work.  That collar isn't cute, its ugly, in a good way! 

Undermineknls,

You are welcome to post your views if you like...and while I agree with SOME of your comments (concerning the ligitimacy of the "bullies" and dewlap), I also agree with much of what Penngomifan's reply as well.

I would also like to say uou do seem a bit anonymous to me. How about a name and a description of your program?